Dutch authors Marja West and Jrgen Snoeren claim they have solved the mystery in their book Lost in The Jungle. The Lost Girls of Panama: The Full Story ^ From that point the trail leads over another dangerous cable bridge, and two more rickety plank swing-bridges, before reaching the Ngobe village of Alto Romero on the banks of the Culebra. The biggest danger for travelers in Central America is crime. He wasnt walking with them. You mention the research team. Basically akin to that in the movie the predator. I was looking at the photographs again and something caught my eye. actually name names. If it is a photo-op, why is Kris not waving her hands or something. With all the misinformation thrown out there and poor follow up work (likely to protect tourism), any ones guess is possible. What I find unusual is that in a panic they did not repeatedly try unless she kept pressing redial and that does not register as a second attempt. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22, went for a walk through the scenic forests around the Baru volcano in Boquete - and never returned. Thanks for your comment. Dogs here are seen as animals (like a jaguar or puma) that can take care of themselves, theyre seen as being dirty (not permitted on furniture) and are more rugged, like the dog can handle his own problems. Give me a link. The internet does not have the most crucial information about the case. There is an international consortium working behind the scenes to slowly and methodically continue the investigation. The women wanted to see as much of Boquete as possible,hiring a guide to showthem around on April 2, 2014. perhaps there is much that was missed by a very bungled police investigation. On the far right upper right of the photo. OK I see the conspiracy theorists saying someone else had their phones but who else would know to try 112 which is the common emergency number for EU countries? I would not pay much attention to what she has to say as it sounds like she wrote this book to try to justify/clear herself from all the criticism she garnered through this experience: Foul play is very likely. In image 505, it is around 4:30 PM on April 1st. Perhaps someone has just hit Kris on the right side of her head and she is putting her hand up to where it hurts. Thats just shadow that the camera didnt illuminate. And the police are not helping at all it seems to me that they want to destroy the investigation. The removed comment provided nothing helpful in any respect, and was merely to get attention and reactions. Also, the parents did not release all the images. Ive seen cases in which political frenemies were erased out of photos without a trace. Whatever happened and if it did not include a third party must have been serious and traumatic because we live in selfie times and as can be seen from their earlier fotos they were in the selfie zone. The Velleman family had been in touch with several Wisconsin and Illinois representatives as they sought assistance from the U.S. government in the search and recovery effort. Do they know more than we do? On the original, her face doesnt look like that at all. While I do believe eventually, and possibly soon after this, there was foul play, I dont think anything untoward was happening as of this photo. I previously read that online, although it was a while ago and I cant remember where I read that. Search parties are looking for her. Is it a reasonable number? Slight left and up from the girl. If you follow down from the two red objects, there appears to be something that looks almost like blocks or siding shingles. by Chris | Jan 29, 2020 | Crime Abroad, Kris Kremers. They are really good, especially parts 3 and 4, which give a lot of information about the girls photos. Thats the very first thing that crossed my mind. Yes indeed!I hadnt noticed that before!is it a carved rock of sorts?. That is EXACTLY what it looks like to me! Some of them are human, including several skulls and a young girls intact corpse, in the bottom right, with a large hole in the head. Perhaps the owner had an underlying influence/incentive to express conviction in his or her statement about the dog. Yes, I can see that too Chyna Lee. Im not saying that I dont think foul play was involved. Shes been beaten into submission. They talk as if it would be difficult to branch off the trail, but maybe they did not notice other paths that could have been taken? Throughout the years people have hiked the disappearance route, I wonder if this structure was found there and investigated. 3. What Really Happened To Two Dutch Hikers Who Disappeared In Panama? Not lurking or following the girls or walking beside them; nothing. Here is what bothers me about this event. Kris is clearly sticking out her tongue at someone. After finding the women's phones, authorities now had alead. Even on my iPhone I could make it big enough to see odd things in the pic. Zooming in I swear its a person standing Hidden amongst the tangle with body paint. If it is not possible to join those two points together then that would at least shine light on the possibility that a third party was involved at some point leading to the appauling possibility that they genuinely were lost for some time (until the 5th?) There was one person that said that the dog left with them when they set out on their hike. This is why the ping data can help because it can show if they were in one place or moving. Most fingers seem to point to the Panama authorities, who have also been blamed for a poor initial search in the immediate days after the disappearance. To this day, the disappearance and tragic deaths of Kris and Lisanne remains a harrowing mystery. The first all the black area behind her was blackened and smudged. What do you think?? Also, the other ones arent covered by man-made support structures. Yes, I think its the entrance to a short cave. I wondered if it was a mirror or piece of metal and her reflection. is. However, a lot of the photos seem to have been tampered with and one of them was even deleted from their camera, which could only have been done using a computer. Anyway thanks again this is such a fascinating case I wish there would be some kind of closure for the families (although I saw a you tube video that interviewed the father of one of the girls, he said that they hired their own investigator and determined they died of an accidental fall. I think the girls were made or persuaded against their wishes and by persons unknown, to go beyond the end of the Pianista trail to goodness knows where! Certainly, each country around the world offers valuable experiences in their own way. You can see a kind of nose and lips. Thanks for your consideration with this comment. Hello Chris, did you ever get any background on the statements made by Joseph? Didnt they cross the line where it had a clear sign not to cross it? Who would do this, and why? Only a fool thinks they were attacked by people. These were of seemingly random objects, like a stick with plastic sticking to it, as well as scenes of foliage, canyons, anda bridge. Her face also appears to be heavily damaged, bruised and bleeding and her hair appears to have been pulled out and or cut as its sticking out in ways that dont seem normal for her ponytail.. The original plan had been for them to disappear without a trace, like so many other people in that part of Panam, but when the reward money was offered, they decided to fabricate a narrative in which the two girls had mysteriously lost their way on the trail. Of course there is room for healthy and rational speculation surrounding what happened but the vast majority of these theories are absolutely ridiculous and downright disrespectful. Where did he leave them? Blue is an uncommon color in the rainforest for anything of that size. Sheer incompetence. To the creator of this photo analysis Thank You, excellent work. What I DO see is a very definite path. What do you think? If you are in the middle of the jungle, lost, and desperately trying to find service, why waste your battery by logging into your phone. Can you provide more information about photos of the girls being in bad shape? After the backpack was found the family got to see the pictures and the case was ruled an accident presumably the 30 or so pics the family didnt release showed the girls in bad shape,, the case went from foul play to accident after the pics were seen.. the pic of the girls hair was put on internet by her brother or something like that and was quickly photoshopped , the wound and eye were concealed. Thats suspicious and leads me to question if government was involved to some degree. And look at it from this point of view. From my own gutt feeling I see only a very preventable accident. There is much speculation about the night time fotos made using the Cannon. There are shots of them exploring the jungle on April 1 which appear to show that all is well. That is the big picture of this case. The place itself might reveal some clues as to what sort of person or people would construct it and what are the chances of them doing something bad. Is there much shareable knowledge about the gang in the area? Here are some ideas Ive speculated about. And two months later, a pelvic bone and a foot - still inside a boot - were found in the same area, according to La Estrella de Panama. Could be that the path turns sharp right or left (out of the frame) or continues up ahead after a short scramble. No dog. The theory of being lost is so plausible in a Jungle but then the photos .. the speculation can never end. And the police know who it is, but will not say anything. The next morning, on April 2nd, a substantial earthquake of magnitude 6.0 hits Panama at 11:13 AM. He threatened them with a machete, and led them to a sacrificial alter. as soon as u see 1 photoshopped pic u know something is wrong,, the bag turned up to keep the police from searching the jungle. 3. Sorry to bring up the dog again. They were not lost. Panamanian screwed up the investigation monumentally, but I would think that the private detectives followed up all the leads: after all, they were getting paid a lot of money for it. I did not cover all of the accidents and trials and tribulations along the way leading to their death. I posted a link at Koude Kas of example of Monkeys playing with phones because they were entranced by the flash. September 1, 2022. Also, sometimes the investigations go dead because the government wants the story to go away in order for the tourist trade to not be hurt. It needs to be stressed that while the AI upsampled image looks impressive, it cannot and does not recover any lost information. Make sure you contact someone with this info. Accordingly, Kremers's phone was powered-on one last time on April 11, 2014; both phones wentdead afterward. Kris had her doubts but was jollied along by the more trusting girl. Dutch investigators attempted to recover the file but didnt manage to retrieve any data, which suggests that the camera was plugged into a computer and the file was deleted rather than deleted from the camera. A piece of evidence that is irrefutable. Froons bones appeared as if they had decomposed naturally, but Kremerss bones were mysteriously stark white as if they had been bleached, raising questions about whether someone had been involved in their deaths. On one hand, its more liberating and freeing. It even appears they have some kind tattoo on their back. And that looks to be a stocker style stand. They make no sense in spite of the speculation. On April 1, 2014, two students from the Netherlands namedLisanneFroon and Kris Kremers went on a hike in Panama with a dog. Meanwhile, on April 2, 2014, the pairmissed their appointment with their hired tour guide. It suggest that this case goes deeper than we imagine. But we need to be careful about the information we have. When the Canon Powershot was recovered by Dutch authorites, there was a conspicuous missing file: IMG_0509. This eliminates all questions about why didnt the girls call X, Y, Z. I think the night photos were taken by individuals who found the device and were not familiar with the camera, perhaps never seeing a camera before. If its part of the trail where people walk all the time I dont think something is up with this place. It is extremely easy to photoshop a photo once it has been darkened. But I see him in none of L&Ks photos. I have seen some gruesome stuff where a captor will smash the feet of a captive to prevent escape. In truth, the fact that theres no evidence that the dog was with them leads a person to believe that perhaps someone could have fabricated the fact that the dog was with them. if you break your ankle in a fall and die your foot is likely to be found IN the shoe as is what happened. When neither Froonnor Kremers turned up, the community decided to wait until the next day to contact authorities. Does anyone else see what looks like the back of someones head, their bare back and arm inside the manmade circular object? There are vast cultural differences to account for, especially between men and women. Well-worn paths do not lead into a pit. So many questions and there is no clear starting place like a police report to read. I just would like to know if you see that as well? In the leaked images some 90% of the original information is irretrievably lost trying to read anything into any of the remaining spots and splotches is fools errand. 2. Watch Lost in the Wild Season 1 Episode 1. The backpack contained sunglasses, a camera, two cell phones,money,two bras, Froon's passport, and a water bottle. Hi Anna, yes, Im aware of that and thank you for shedding light on that for other readers. The search efforts moved into the forests where the young women traversed, using on-foot search teams and dog units. What is peculiar is that there were no attempts to contact anyone other than the emergency services. I dont really speculate much with psychic readings or energy. P.S. I know if I was hiking and wandering in the jungle (and presumably possibly lost although not quite realizing this at this point), I would be curious about a manmade structure like this. I know that its highly irregular for 17 foreigners to uproot their lives and relocate to the obscure jungles of Panama, especially for the purpose of sacrificing locals (whom are often Catholic). These photos all look very photoshopped. The theories go from accident to a crime to a combination of both. Shock and fear and protecting their family from pain was the goal. I am not an investigator but I find it very strange that there were no witnesses found either tourists or locals on the trail. ): https://ibb.co/nqy80hS Someone called her so she turning to look at them. Many people in El Salvador permit their dogs to roam freely outside in the streets and forests. To me it looks like the chopped off end of a thick tree branch. Have you performed this same work on any of the other case photos? Here is the comparison: Youre asking why didnt they try to call a friend or family member WHEN THEY COULDNT EVEN GET A SIGNAL TO THE POLICE? It was taken on the Continental Divide on April 1st, 2014 with the recorded time: 13:20:32. We have no way of knowing if somebody tried to unlock the phone but failed. Constance Marten seen leaving court after appearing before magistrates charged with manslaughter of baby, Constance Marten and Mark Gordon blow each other a kiss in dock before court hears dead baby was found in bag in shed, Mum identified after dead baby is found on Canford Heath, Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO). Hi Chris! If the Calderas photo is genuine as you believe, then I sadly think the two girls were killed shortly after by the two young men (and possibly the taxi driver), and the police knew and bumped the lot off. What people are mistaking as swelling of the right eye/cheek is simply the sunlight highlighting the contours of the right side of her face while the left side is in shadow, probably combined with squinting of the right eye due to the bright light. Why? This story and all the bizarre features surrounding it as strange as they are, are actually very much similar to the thousands that have been put together by former cop and forest ranger David Pauladis series of books Missing 411. Looks like 2 blurred out people one talker than other behind her over her left shoulder or her left when looking left of pic. And her shirt is pushed up. For Composer Drew Silva, Music is all About Embracing Life. While I was reading over the story again, I decided to review their photos one more time. Have you managed to obtain a copy? I believe that the case was handled so poorly that it leads one to believe that it was intentionally handled as such. People usually have dogs for a mild form of protection. Since they were two young women from Europe, I can easily see the possibility that they offended the wrong man. I do see the supports and I think thats manmade also. And if other people learn too much, they get killed too. I am thinking while I am writing so please be patient with me. This lady, Pitti, she is under much suspicion as she practically botched the investigation efforts with her repeated lack of discipline in collecting and documenting and directing the case. So easily noticeable. A Panamanian search and rescue team helped recover the bodies after more than 690 hours of searching, authorities said. I read extensively about this case and when I saw the above pic, I got the most eerie feeling. Ella divide en dos la historia: las fotos anteriores a la 506 son de alegra, la foto 506 es de pnico y la 507 y 508 de preocupacin. With regards to the photos, they are probably real. Right on the bank of the river/stream. They earn money through drug trafficking, often theft and sometimes by extorting businesses. In May, a 61-year-old American man went missing and was presumed to have gone overboard while on a cruise through the South Pacific, according to a report from the Australian Associated Press. Two Dutch women who went missing in April in Panama are now confirmed dead, according to police and the women's families. For the most part, foreigners are just caught in the middle. Theres a red cord tied around her waist that wasnt on her in any of the other photos. I believe that this case WILL be solved. Even if there is only one it can provide information of they were not which is important to reduce the places they could be because much of the conspiracy theories I see seem to suggest they were not on the trail. Her stance is weird there is nothing of note she could be looking at and it is difficult to tell what her right arm is doing. Lets try one more time then (and please dont censor this, even if you think that it is not pretty murders rarely are! But the call logs gave the cops a rough outline of the time the girls spent missing in the jungle. The black twigs can be seen growing up, as all vegetation/trees do to harness the sun, but the ones above her are clearly bent in a horizontal and parallel formation. Hope there will be a reasonable explanation to everything one day. Theres a lot of loose ends to be tied up, but I think this 2021 investigation can do it. All Froon and Kremers photos were taking with phones and a camera from six years ago, probably jpeg, with all the associated algorithm issues, let alone we have no idea of the provenance of the photos we are all seeing, I doubt any of it is first generation copies straight from the devices, and every time we copy a photo we risk changing the data somewhat. Both of these 2 boys died shortly after, by murder or by accident. It is clear they contributed much to this by their actions. It does not make sense to me. Teams investigatedfor 10 days; their hunt scaled down on April 14, 2014, though continued on for 10more weeks. When she finally reached her friend, it was basically too late, or very close to it. Someone in the comments put the link to your website thats how I found you! Any comments that are disrespectful or inconsiderate to the families of Kris and Lisanne will be removed by a moderator. For all that we know, it could be someone who works for the police who did this. It is also possible that an unknown person, possibly the one responsible for the girls deaths, deleted the file for some reason but not the others on the card with a laptop in the middle of the jungle. Also subsequently one or the other phone connected without them obviously knowing. Im always reviewing their case and looking for answers. It may be a plant, but it appears to have a definitive shape and its oddly located that the very center of the path with no other visible red things in the trees. Why are you not sharing their photo number, why are you stating generalities, let me help you, there is a link with all the photos https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and_11.html Happy reading! Hard noncontroversial evidence is very limited and what there is is open to interpretation. It looks like a turtle shell hanging on the right side of the picture (its further up). I too believe this is most likely what happened. I dont think there was actual foul play. Much information is second hand. The dog ran away and they followed it into the woods to try to get it back? Of course, nobody knows exactly why things happened. I would expect especially on the first day for total panic to occur and multiple attempts to be made until a decision was made to save battery strength. What confuses this is that after Kriss phone dies then on the 5th during the afternoon SOS attempt a wrong pin is input on Lisannes phone and indeed continues to be input until the end. Heres more info: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/12/09/research-team-update-join-us/. It only makes the image look more detailed, but the detail is artificial and can be very misleading. See the State Department's travel website for the Worldwide Caution and Travel Advisories. I think that she has her hand to her ear,she looks like she is trying to hear what someone is saying,and also,the light is in her eyes;.It looks like she has twisted herself around in doing so. Theres a blood splatter on her leg from her tendon being cut, to keep her from running away. The white and red object on the left looks slightly like a cows head and what I took to be Kriss tousled hair on the left of her head now looks like the thumb and fore finger of her left hand pointing to the inside of the hut. Hi Lisa, I wrote an in-depth analysis of Kriss bones here: The government officials involved failed at providing a thorough analysis/evaluation. Where they went and who they talked to in order to build up an idea about what motivated them to take that fateful walk and what information could have taken them down the other side of the divide. The people in Panama may be afraid to speak, but in Europe, the USA and other Central American countries there are pods of people still working on the case. Probably the culprit or stupid tribe didnt delete anything coz they took pictures on purpose .for example to sell the footage .but allready the police or parents who asked the investigator to delete it .they just simply didnt want to show it to everyone. It looks as though she has a mouse under her right eye. Something drastic happened it is clear but what exactly and where exactly? I hope you understand my english, im not a native speaker. The ground is littered with leaves, twigs, and stones. My husband is a mountain climber and when hes out, the mountain rescue flys multiple times a day because hikers overestimate their abilities in the german Alps, not anywhere in the jungle. But by April 6, the girls were still missing. How many tourists go missing in Australia each year? I also see something above the brown circle, like a ring of colored balls or ???? Hi Anna, youre casting a wide net when you say If anything, they work harder to try and bring anyone to justice that harms a tourist.. On April 3, 2014, authorities began an aerial search of the forests and an on-foot search ofBoquete. If you dont know the story, I recommend you visit the link at the bottom of this page. I must have been living in a cave and totally preoccupied with myself when this happened because I only stumbled across this via a Youtube video ( one of many) by Juan Perea Y Monsuw on Friday. OmgIm staring at this pic. Perhaps the women were lured there to be shown something. Although it might be the sun that gives her face a strange expression. December 17, 2022. What if she was trying to get fire with the mirror and the paper? Right now Im simply building a list of names to determine interest: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/14/organizing-a-research-team/. From my understanding, there was no warning signs on the trail. I knew there was a lot of interest in the case but I never expected to find a sophisticated group collaborating at this level. Their bodies were located after more than 690 hours of searching. Still creepy though. Very interesting.. I think it would be a mistake to assume Lisanne knew her friends password. Tuesday morning, Velleman and Borries were recovered from inside the plane, according to Albert Lewitinn, a representative for the Velleman family. The police, the media attention, the suspicions on him. Its at the very top of the post. I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PIT PICTURE FOR YEARS, YOU CLEARLY SEE A GATELIKE STRUCTURE OVER THE PIT. https://photos.app.goo.gl/sLXepriuWAxz8t1R9 Jalisco prosecutors said that three people still seem to be missing after a gang kidnapped a group of tourists at the Pacific resort of Puerto Vallarta earlier this month. And more to the right of the insignia, is that water, an underground river maybe, there is like a light at the end. In either case, maybe the rucksack was looted then later planted to avoid criminal implication. In the end, maybe this photo has more information that was originally thought. We live in interesting times. And thinking its more possible that another person with a bleachbath and a Laptop/PC is wandering the jungle in Panama just shows me how little people nowadays know how dangerous the outdoors can be. And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). All of this leads to resentment and frustration, which results in higher crime rates. Im considering putting together a research team to visit Panama and further investigate the details of the case interviews, videos, mapping terrain, etc. So I see men in the cave. She would probably have gone into what looks like a cave or hut behind her, which may have been a booby trap leading to a long drop either through the floor or at the back of the cave. To the right of the body is a cross fashioned out of two poles, as is customary in Panama. The smooth rocks would further back that theory up and the blue trash could have just washed up thereperhaps. Highlighted areas of interest (some not yet discussed I think): I think the night pictures were made by the killers to make it look like they were lost and trying to signal for help. These are all similar in so many of the cases in his Missing 411 series. Could it be the same man in both photos. Could fishing line be being used to secure all this making it hard to see, & could that blue object on the ground be part of the roof device- step on it & it triggers it or something like that? Im curious. Thanks for sharing this. Therefore, this can prove that the likelihood of a third party being involved is very high. I dont know if this photo is before or after a photo where Kris appears to have mud on her legs and on her arm. I think investigation isnt the correct word. They provide a live accounting of missing-persons cases. Im just pointing out some peculiar things worth noting. I think this picture of Kris is a picture of her circling around looking for where they entered the jungle. Has anyone thought to look further into the hosts dog (Blue)? Do you think this could be at all relevant? she does see something disgusting. Let me know about your opinion heres the link https://youtu.be/4wqUCG5bxns loads of greetings Mel. But even when a phone is locked after thee attempts the screen says emergency calls only. Like the taxidriver and the two local boys. There is no traces of them anywhere. The mans face is clearly visible standing behind the rock with the red bags. However, any link that requires any form of downloads, account creation or spammy activity, to view linked content, will not be permitted. It was probably done by the perpetrators in order to collect the reward money. More probable is that the picture was deleted. How close was this tribe to where they went missing? Its almost as if Kris is in the midst of turning back around at the moment this photo is taken, due to the foliage becoming too dense to proceed any further. And why? That looks kinda like a monster, Very interesting and thorough analysis. If the dog was with them, we cannot know for how long, nor why the dog left the girls. I think Kris and Lisanne were two smart, savvy, levelheaded young women. Read Matts article about the daytime photos (link) for more detailed information. Yes, this was taken after their photos at the Mirador. David Lee Thomas Bass - Facts About the Musician. They usually drown their victims, hit and run car accidents, or just disappear the victim, etc anything that ensures theres no obvious intent to the police. Someone mentioned a Jaguar? Photo #509 was permanently deleted which takes advanced technical knowledge, plus a computer. The grimace on Kris face is because she is in pain. I dont know if youve noticed this or not. And one of the branches near the middle appears to have scales or a pattern not natural to a tree branch. Emilio Virola - 12 years in prison. At that time, she had her phone. Does anyone know where this photo was taken in relation to their happy photos taken at the top of the Continental divide? Can it explain Lisannes foot that was broken? What we do know is for 5 days after they disappeared, her phone was checked about a dozen times. I implore those who are intrigued by this to read his books.
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